Kate Winslet interview: On raising hell with ‘The Regime’ and more

Kate Winslet is noticeably concerned (even more than I am) that my Internet connection during our Zoom call is all over the place. I succeed finally at keeping it stable, all the while apologising profusely. I need not have fretted; Kate — looking incredibly regal — is quick to assures us that she is not inconvenienced at all. 

The Oscar-winning English actor is talking to us from London, where she’s doing press for her latest project, HBO’s six-part limited series The Regime.

In a riveting career that has spanned 30 years (her feature debut was with Peter Jackson’s Heavenly Creatures in 1994), the British actor has sunk her teeth into several flawed female characters who have disturbed and enthralled in equal measure; from a Nazi concentration camp guard in The Reader to a troubled housewife in Revolutionary Road. There, of course, have been other acclaimed performances in blockbuster titles such as Titanic,Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and The Holiday.

But could her latest role be the most fascinating one of them all? The upcoming dark satire stars Kate as Chancellor Elena Vernham, an authoritarian leader of a fictional country, whose grip on the regime (and her mind) turns unstable after she falls for a volatile soldier, Herbert Zubak. Increasingly paranoid by the minute as Zubak’s influence over her continues to grow, Elena’s desperate and eccentric attempts to retain her power result in complete chaos all around her… and her people.

Kate Winslet in a still from ‘The Regime’

After having won Emmys for the period drama Mildred Pierce and detective thriller Mare of Easttown, much is expected from the 48-year-old’s most recent television turn. “It’s a twisted love story about two people who should never have fallen in love,” laughs the actor.

Created and co-written by showrunner Will Tracy, The Regime is directed by double Oscar nominee Stephen Frears (The Queen) and Emmy-winning director Jessica Hobbs (The Crown). The international ensemble cast also includes Matthias Schoenaerts (Rust and Bone) as the troubled Herbert Zubak, Guillaume Gallienne (Me, Myself and Mum) as Elena’s husband, Andrea Riseborough (To Leslie) as Agnes who runs the household staff, as well as Hugh Grant as Elena’s defeated political rival Edward Keplinger in a delightfully-wicked cameo.

Excerpts from a conversation:

It looks like you contributed largely to developing your character in ‘The Regime’; how much freedom did you have towards shaping her personality, especially the eccentricity? 

It was a team effort; the large group of writers who had written all of these six episodes had done so much research and preparation in terms of creating this imagined country, somewhere in middle Europe. 

This gave us enormous freedom as actors to go far down the road in the direction of the absurd to play with the comedy as much as we really wanted to, and see how far we could push that at times. In the later episodes, it becomes more interesting, as things begin to fall apart, and the love story becomes more intense and kind of twisted. 

But my job as the person playing this female dictator was to try and create a real person behind the mask. I felt it was important that she should look almost too perfect, so that it felt uncomfortable; as though this is someone that you can’t trust.

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, center, and Matthias Schoenaerts, left, in a scene from ‘The Regime’

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, center, and Matthias Schoenaerts, left, in a scene from ‘The Regime’

It was also important to keep giving myself opportunities to unravel who she was. We had those really interesting scenes in the mausoleum when she’s talking to her dead father’s corpse (!); that gave me so much insight into her childhood and how much trauma she carried. That then impacted on how I wanted to let that trauma live in her body, how she moves, how she talks and how she is with people. There are some things that she copes with and some things that she just can’t cope with at all; she had to feel extremely vulnerable and fragile, but fearless and abrasive as well. So I just had to be brave enough to try everything, quite honestly. 

The directors of the show — Stephen Frears and Jessica Hobbs — remarked that when they first heard you speaking in Elena’s distinctive voice, it made complete sense and you reminded them of what an ‘old-fashioned movie star’ is. What is your definition of the term in this time and age when the idea of what stardom means keep changing?

My definition of an old-fashioned movie star… is definitely not me! It’s very kind that Stephen and Jessica said that; they probably only said it because they just couldn’t find other words. They probably would have been better off using words like deeply insecure, troubled, experimental. That’s how we all felt around that table readthrough. 

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, left, and Guillaume Gallienne in a scene from ‘The Regime’

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, left, and Guillaume Gallienne in a scene from ‘The Regime’

So, what is my definition of a movie star now? To me, quite honestly, the term ‘movie star’ is almost an invention in many ways. It is the way that we describe people who have achieved certain successes, doing the job that they do. For me, I just try to do my job well. Try and stay humble. Try to be kind, and try to be grateful for everything that I have. And most importantly, to remember that when you’re a woman and when you’re getting older… it’s a good thing, not a bad thing. Those are qualities that I think help anyone really in a high profile position in this industry.

“I just try to do my job well. Try and stay humble. Try to be kind, and try to be grateful for everything that I have. And most importantly, to remember that when you’re a woman and when you’re getting older… it’s a good thing, not a bad thing.”Kate Winslet

There are a lot of political references and subtext in the narrative that could be relevant to the goings-on in the world today. What does the series tell us about the current crazy world we live in? 

I always appreciated that the script is completely agnostic in terms of any real life depictions. It is an imagined universe; a fictional country in middle Europe which is not a part of history. It isn’t a documentary, and absolutely not a real telling of real life events. It is a geopolitical satire, and understandably, people will take from it what they want.

What I loved was that it’s a female dictator, playing a woman leading this small country and doing what she can, but I wanted to dig into who the person is behind the mask, because everything about Elena Vernham really does feel like a front. 

Kate Winslet as Elena Vernham in ‘The Regime’

Kate Winslet as Elena Vernham in ‘The Regime’

As a creative team, we really lent on the delusional side to her; the dark humour and the fact that you feel very uncertain about what she’s going to do next all the time. We all contributed to how she looks, the clothes that she wore, how she moved physically, and so on.

She clearly has hidden trauma from her childhood having been raised by something of a tyrannical father who clearly terrified her. But for whatever reason, she still seeks approval from his corpse of all things! I mean, it is so insane. You almost feel like well, how could someone write that? But someone did write that and I tried to play that part to the best of my ability and hopefully make it interesting. And more than anything, make it funny.

Your accent on the show is really hard to place… 

We deliberately didn’t want accents for any of these characters, so that you couldn’t identify exactly where they’re from. It was fun actually allowing all of the actors to just have their own accents, so that it feels like a very eclectic group of individuals within the walls of the fictional palace. That was a choice made by the directors. 

From whatever you’ve told us, Elena seems to live in a bubble of sorts, where she’s the center of the universe, and no one wants to say no to her. Did you relate to any part of the character at all?

No, not at all! I’m very fortunate that I had a very loving family growing up; I have three siblings and very kind, good parents. I’ve always been extremely rooted in the real world and in reality, and becoming a successful actress has been a huge surprise to me. I never imagined that for myself or the opportunities that have come my way. I am grateful for every day of my life. But I’m just one person on that huge film set, and my job is no more important than the person behind the camera, or the person who’s bringing the actors coffee. We all have a place and we all have to look out for each other and work as a team. 

Kate Winslet arrives for the premiere of HBO’s ‘The Regime’ at The Museum of Natural History on February 26, 2024, in New York City

Kate Winslet arrives for the premiere of HBO’s ‘The Regime’ at The Museum of Natural History on February 26, 2024, in New York City
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“I’ve always been extremely rooted in the real world and in reality, and becoming a successful actress has been a huge surprise to me.”Kate Winslet

As an actor, how did you find that perfect balance between a humorous and serious approach? You can’t cross an invisible line, lest it becomes farcical…

Yes, I agree… you just can’t play the humour card all the time. With a character like Elena, it can become a little exhausting, and I was very aware of that. I would say this to myself, ‘I mustn’t be like John Cleese in Fawlty Towers’. Because even though he is so brilliant, it’s almost overwhelming to watch because you feel like he’s gonna hurt himself all the time. You feel that something is gonna go wrong, and it becomes really kind of frightening to watch. 

I knew that I had to get the audience to that place with Elena. But I can’t take them there in episode one, I have to kind of let it spread out over the six episodes so that by the time that we get to six, hopefully you have been completely reeled in by her story and who she is, her vulnerability, charm, charisma and her confusion with the world. 

Did it ever cross your mind that depicting a female leader in a negative light could come off the wrong way or cause backlash of some kind?

You just can’t think like that when you’re an actor asked to play the role of an invented female dictator who is completely delusional, living in an isolated world in complete paranoia. My job was simply to try and lift off what was on the page and bring it to life. 

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, left, and Matthias Schoenaerts in a scene from ‘The Regime’

This image released by HBO shows Kate Winslet, left, and Matthias Schoenaerts in a scene from ‘The Regime’

We all just felt lucky as actors that the group of writers who had put the script together had completed the story before we all even read it. So the whole thing was complete. We could just jump in and really explore these characters. The satirical darkness hopefully is going to amuse people and entertain them.

The Regime is set to premiere on JioCinema on March 4

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Avatar 2 Review: The Biggest, Most Expensive ‘Video Game Movie’ Ever

Avatar: The Way of Water — now playing in cinemas worldwide — has a gargantuan task on its hands. (And I’m not even talking about the sequel’s need to earn over a billion dollars at the box office to turn a profit.) James Cameron, the returning director, co-writer, co-editor, and co-producer on the second Avatar movie, must prove to audiences that his world of Pandora is worth revisiting thirteen years on. The original Avatar was both a showcase of 3D cinema and otherworldly visuals. One of them is on its last legs, while VFX and scale are seemingly everywhere these days. The spectacle alone — Cameron had little to offer on the story and characters front back then — cannot carry Avatar: The Way of Water. It needs more.

Additionally, the first sequel is an audition for more Avatar sequels — slated to open every alternate December between now and 2028 — one of which has already been filmed, one that has a script in place, and another with a figment of an idea. Cameron doesn’t just need you to be invested today for Avatar: The Way of Water. He has to sell you on the grand plan he’s been cooking for over a decade. But all that is moot if this new chapter doesn’t work. (That’s where the commercial aspects come in more, with Cameron attempting to buy himself cover ahead of release, by noting that he’s prepared to end on the trilogy mark should the new film underperform.)

For better and for worse, Avatar: The Way of Water is crafted along the lines of its predecessor. It’s built structurally like the original, with an initial heavy exposition dump, followed by an immersion into a new culture, leading to a major confrontation between mankind and Pandora’s natives. The finale is better than everything that comes before it. There are even callbacks to the first film, not that anyone will spot them given the massive time gap and Avatar‘s lack of re-watchability. And the sequel’s visuals are paramount, with Cameron seemingly pouring more VFX money into certain scenes than the entire budget of Bollywood movies. Avatar: The Way of Water is a fascinating dive into alien waters, with every aspect of the new world shining gloriously.

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But Avatar: The Way of Water also shares some of the original’s problems. The story is paper thin, the dialogue clunky and cringe, the background score utterly forgettable, and the character development outright laughable. Cameron paints so broadly with his themes that it makes you wonder if he’s trying to make a global point or if he lacks the skills to be specific. (He’s credited on the screenplay alongside the Rise of the Planet of the Apes duo Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver. Two other scribes contributed to the story alongside Jaffa, Silver, and Cameron.) On top of all that, the returning Avatar director — known for his fascination with filmmaking technology — has made a choice that threatens to undermine it all.

For reasons I cannot fathom, Cameron has decided to present Avatar: The Way of Water in variable frame rates: standard 24fps, and high-frame-rate 48fps. Most of the dialogue scenes make use of the former, while the action is all rendered in the latter. At times though, the Avatar sequel switches between the two on the fly, in the same scene, in what is both unnecessary and jarring. The best way I’ve found to describe it is a budget computer struggling with a new-age video game, and thereby dropping frames to maintain fidelity. Cameron believes this solves HFR’s pain point, but I’m not convinced.

A decade on from the events of Avatar, Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) and Neytiri (Zoe Saldaña) are raising four children: the eldest Neteyam (Jamie Flatters), second son Lo’ak (Britain Dalton), adopted Kiri (Sigourney Weaver), and youngest Tuk (Trinity Jo-Li Bliss). A fifth, a human boy Spider (Jack Champion), is also part of the posse. But their familial happiness is shattered when the “Sky People” return, and set up a new massive base of operations in record time. With Jake and Co. being a constant pain in the bottom for the humans, commander-in-charge General Ardmore (Edie Falco) raises old villain Colonel Quaritch (Stephen Lang) and his company from the dead, by putting their memories in Avatar bodies.

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Kate Winslet as Ronal, Cliff Curtis as Tonowari — both of the Metkayina clan — in Avatar: The Way of Water
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Realising he and his family have a target on their back, Jake decides they must leave their adopted home of the forest, and seek refuge with the Metkayina, the Reef Clan, out by a group of islands. Everyone and everything associated with Omaticaya, the Forest Clan, is discarded save for Neytiri. It’s a clever reset in some ways as both the protagonists and the audience are thrown into a new world. For nearly 45 minutes or so after the Sullys arrive in the waters, Avatar: The Way of Water becomes a mix of exposition, oceanic wonders, and characters adapting to their new surroundings. It’s the longest second arc of its kind I’ve seen in a blockbuster movie in years — though it’s partly because Cameron doesn’t have a real plot to offer.

Along the way, Avatar: The Way of Water tries to navigate what the sequel wants to be about. Cameron has noted that he wrote the script for the first Avatar back in 1995 when he was barely a father. Having started the second Avatar in 2012, as a father to multiple teenage children, he incorporated more of the family into the story. But intentions do not guarantee results. Cameron’s views on family are traditional and his exploration of it is surface-level. His depiction of teenagers is nothing unique: they rebel, bicker, and get themselves into trouble. Heck, they get kidnapped so often that the film eventually leans into self-referential humor. (That said, the film isn’t all that funny. It’s more interested in wowing you and pushing your emotional buttons.)

Cameron’s attempts at commentary are more successful. With the first film, the Avatar writer-director was making a post 9-11 Iraq and Afghanistan movie in some ways — in addition to being inspired by a thousand other things, from Pocahontas to Princess Mononoke, and from cyberpunk literature to Hindu gods. Avatar: The Way of Water doesn’t build on American interventionism, be it the US’ bungled 20-year occupation of Afghanistan, the failed nation-building efforts in the Bush and Obama years, or the disastrous withdrawal under the Biden administration.

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A tulkun, a whale-like sea creature, in Avatar: The Way of Water
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The closest the new Avatar movie comes to making any meaningful commentary is regarding humanity’s attitude toward other life forms. (In Avatar: The Way of Water, Earth is said to be desolate with mankind in need of a new home.) We’ve hunted species after species to near extinction — some have been lost for good — and while conservation efforts have produced results in recent years, scientists are warning that we’re in a sixth mass extinction driven by human activity. And Cameron sketches out our inhuman practices on an IMAX canvas, with a lengthy heart-wrenching scene depicting the killing of a highly-intelligent sea mammal.

Cameron spends so much time with these Pandora creatures that one of them becomes the “hero” in the boisterous — albeit repetitive in parts — third act of Avatar: The Way of Water. It was the first time in a cinema that I heard an audience cheer for a sea creature’s action chops and intelligence on the battlefield. (Take that, Aquaman.) That crowning shot is part of the new Avatar film’s best stretch, as it moves swiftly and seamlessly between surfaces, displaying a fluidity and understanding of choreography that the oceanic climax of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever severely lacked. For portions of that concluding stretch, Cameron’s embrace of technology meets his Terminator 2 heyday, washing over you in ways that are almost enough to make you look past the film’s flaws.

In those moments, the 48fps HFR presentation works in Avatar: The Way of Water’s favour. But though the quality of VFX has come a long way since the days of Avatar — the original hasn’t aged well and watching the movie today, a lot of it feels fake — problems exist. It’s virtually impossible to tell what’s real and what’s fake in Cameron’s environment. The entire film feels like CGI, be it the sky, the water, the creatures, the warships, and even the characters (whose performances rely on motion capture).

Sure, it might technically be a live-action movie, but it’s more akin to The Lion King reboot. Except that was rendered like a (24fps) film. Avatar: The Way of Water is closer to a new-age PS5 game, as I’m only used to seeing such smooth footage in said medium. And that feeling you’re watching 192 minutes of video game cutscenes is accentuated by the constant frame-rate switching and Russell Carpenter’s cinematography (which employs snap zooms). Avatar: The Way of Water is, in some ways then, the world’s biggest and most expensive “video game movie” ever.

And we might be looking at three more like it — all with Jake Sully vs Colonel Quaritch. Oh, Eywa.

Avatar: The Way of Water is released Friday, December 16 worldwide. In India, the second Avatar movie is available in English, Hindi, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, and Kannada.


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